ibarraj22 (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

But then you would still have ways to many animals living at the same time regardless if one is better fit. Also if the animal has a rib taken away, does it grow back? or does it stay that way? And then what happens when carnivore decide to eat the entire animal; or even why would the animals feel the need to eat if they wont die?

richi1173 (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

No, just try to think of it as a scrawny kid vs. a big bully and you will get the picture. Also, carnivors in that theoretical world you would not be able to kill animals, just take a couple of large bites out of it then leave it. Again, just try to think of it as a bully taking the scrawny kinds sandwich every day, except that the bully eats his ribs or whatever body part the carnivore finds delicious.

ibarraj22 (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

What do you mean by marginalize? Die? If so then that contradicts the idea that death came after the species itself which was the point I was trying to make. Also when you said get less food, you have to take into consideration the the are carnivorous animals in the world, so those animals would have to KILL other animals, thereby also contradicting the same idea, unless you were to believe that those same animals adapted that after death came into play. Which would be a couple of thousand years

richi1173 (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

Sorry, I don't understand what your saying? Do you mean that without death million of animals would accrue over a million years? I would agree, but then animals less adapted would get less food. So they would be marginalized by better fit ones.

ibarraj22 (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

I understand that its all about reproduction and that after a number of generations the theory states that natural selection would change the species, but this would have happened over millions of years, so if you would have millions of years worth of generations, with that said you would have millions of years worth of animals alive at once? I like that we can discuss this in a mature way unlike most youtube discussions, lets hope it stays mature =D

richi1173 (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

Actually evolution just requires more being born. Look at the peacock, one of Darwins biggest headaches. Why would the peacock have such vibrant tails if it attracts predators, therefore not selecting the more vibrant ones to bred because they would be eaten? The answer is because it allows that peacock to get more mates. Evolution is all about reproduction, not death. A mutation that allows for a more rapid reproduction rate is selected for.

ibarraj22 (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

Doesn't creationism state that animals and man where around BEFORE death? therefor if your are a creationist then you can not believe that we got here due to evolution, considering that animals have to die and more generation born for natural selection to occur.

richi1173 (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

the method is already working. If you want to see a beneficial mutation in a human, look up Richard Sandrak. However, like the Coelacanth, gene flow will kick in and the mutation will be drowned out in the population. A perfect example of where evolutionary pressure pops up is a mutated CCR-5 gene dating from Scandinavia in the Middle Ages. It has been naturally selected because of its resistance to epidemics like dysentary and today renders a person partially or completely immune to AIDS.

richi1173 (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

Simple, gene flow. The species like humans is already well adapted to the environment it lives in. There is no evolutionary pressure, and therefore gene flow kicks in where mutations are drowned out in a population.

NecroAsphyxia (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

Plus how does Macroevolution explain the existance of the Coelacanth? This fish predates the dinosaurs yet is has remained unchanged. Then you have the Nautilus which has remained nearly unchanged in millions and millions of years. You also have the Horseshoe Crab which, also, has remained unchanged. Or every living fossil for that matter, and more and more are popping up again. Like the Glypheoidea.